Withdrawal of Applications: 10 Myths and Facts

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WITHDRAWAL OF APPLICATIONS: 10 MYTHS AND FACTS
 
The most common problems hounding an overseas applicant is the withdrawal of application to include the various documents submitted (e.g. Passport, TOR etc). There could be various reasons for their withdrawal but lets not dwell on it too much as our concern is to know the things that applicants should know in withdrawing their application before local recruitment agency.Withdrawal of applications may be done at any stage of the application process but the corresponding consequence varies. Here are some myths and facts about withdrawal of applications.
 
1. Asking for employer’s permission to withdraw application
 
Myths
 
Once a withdrawal of applications is made, the agency normally requires the applicant to make a withdrawal letter which is an acceptable practice. However, some (if not most) agencies requires the applicant to still talk with the employer to seek permission because accordingly, only the employer can decide whether to allow the withdrawal or not.

“DEAL or NO DEAL”

Facts: This is a very flimsy reason. It is voluntary on the part of the applicant whether to talk to the employer regarding his/her withdrawal of application for professional ethics reason. The employer can’t do anything if the applicant decides to withdraw his/her application (even if the employer doesn’t want to for personal reasons) except to require the applicants to reimburse the cost they incur for processing of papers if said process had already started or completed. Additionally, the employer may also “blacklist” the applicant from ever seeking employment in their company and perhaps asking the same favor to the agency to do the same (which is highly unethical). If the withdrawal was made after acceptance of job offer but before processing of papers, then there is really no need to talk to the employer.

2. Requiring applicants to pay processing fees even if no processing of papers were done

Myths

Recruitment agencies require an applicant to pay processing fees in cases of withdrawal of application even if there is no processing of papers to speak off because accordingly, the eventual withdrawal of application by the applicant will not divest the recruiter of its rights to charge for expenses relating to job matching and placement.

Facts

The processing costs include visa, POEA processing fee and OWWA membership fees to be paid by the employer. (Section 2[a][c] and [d], Rule V, Part II of the 2002 POEA Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers).

Requiring an applicant to pay processing fees if there is no processing of papers to speak off is an absurd demand by the agency. If the applicant upon getting hired and was offered a job but later withdrew his/her application even before the start of the processing of papers process, he/she is not required by law to pay processing fees since the agency incur no damages that would warrant recovery of expenses. The processing of papers starts only upon submission of the required documents to the agency (e.g. TOR, Diploma, NBI Clearance etc), completion of necessary papers for processing by signing the same and most importantly, completion and submission of a “fit to work” medical exam result to the agency. Without the above-mentioned items, there can be no “processing of papers” to speak off, hence, no processing costs/fees are incurred by the local recruitment agency. To do otherwise is illegal and contrary to law.

3. Requiring applicants to pay placement fee in addition to withdrawal fee even without successful placement and deployment

Myths

Local recruitment agencies demand that applicants who were hired by employers or representative and whose papers had been already processed by the agency but later on decided to withdraw their application must pay placement fee despite the withdrawal in addition to the withdrawal fees as reimbursement for expenses incurred by the agency in processing the papers of the applicant.

Facts

The law is clear on this point. Recruitment agencies may charge and collect from its hired workers a placement fee in an amount equivalent to one (1) salary, exclusive of documentation costs. (Section 3, Rule V, Part II of the 2002 Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers; POEA Governing Board Resolution No. Series of 2001) Some agencies may argue that even in withdrawal of applications, the applicant is still mandated to pay the placement fee because in the first place the applicant was hired and his/her eventual withdrawal of application will not divest the agency of its right to collect placement fee. This line of argument is misplace since what the law actually referred to when it stated that “land based agency may charge and collect from its hired workers a placement fee in an amount equivalent to one month salary” connotes successful placement and deployment of workers. The term “hired” may be ambiguous as to what it really means, whether it connotes the applicant being hired only without mention of actual work or there must be successful placement and deployment (actual work). Reference must be made to Article 4 of the Philippine Labor Code to clear the ambiguity and it provides that “any doubts in the implementation and interpretation of the provisions of the Labor Code, including its implementing rules and regulations, shall be resolved in favor of labor.” Ergo, placement fee shall only be collected for successful placement and deployment of workers. Collection of placement fees as part of the withdrawal fees is illegal and contrary to law.

4. Threatening the applicant with administrative case before POEA

Myths

For withdrawal of applications, recruitment agencies threatens applicant of possible administrative charges before the POEA for unprofessionalism or whatever flimsy reason they can come up.

Facts

If an applicant did not violate any rules and regulations of the POEA, he/she can’t be the subject of any administrative case before said body. There is nothing in the law (Labor Code or the 2002 POEA Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers) that provides for administrative penalties for overseas applicant who withdrew their application for whatever reason it may be. On the contrary, recruitment agencies found violating any of the above-mentioned laws, rules and regulations are not only subjected to administrative charges for suspension/cancellation/revocation of license but more so, imposition of huge amount of fines and imprisonment of concerned agency officials for a very long time.

The only source of refuge that recruitment agencies may find in cases of withdrawal of applications is to recover expenses (processing costs, documentation fees, service fees, cancellation fees and other incidental costs) that were actually incurred by the employer or the agency and the same must be properly supported by receipts issued by BIR. Hence, the threat of filing an administrative case against the applicant is pure case of harassment and to instill fear so that he/she may yield to the whims and caprices of the recruitment agency concern.

5. Threatening the applicant with either the suspension or removal of license before the PRC

Myths

Local recruitment agencies would issue threats to applicants that he/she would either be suspended or have their license revoke by the PRC due to their withdrawal of applications because it is in violation of their Professional Oath and of the Code of Professional Ethics as set forth by the PRC.

Facts

The Professional Regulation Commission is vested with exclusive rights and jurisdiction to decide matters relating to suspension or cancellation/revocation of license of professional board passers (except for bar passers [lawyers] which falls under the authority of the Supreme Court) but only on meritorious grounds. Withdrawal of application by applicants seeking for overseas work for whatever reasons is not one of those meritorious grounds that warrants the attention of the PRC nor the suspension or cancellation/revocation of license, The PRC regulates professional board passers and only violations of PRC rules and regulations will merit either the suspension or cancellation/revocation of license of a board passer.

Ergo, the threat of suspension or removal of license is nothing but a threat without substance and is designed only as a flimsy move on the part of the agency to “force” the unsuspecting applicants to pay unreasonable amount of withdrawal fees.

6. Threatening the applicant of getting “black listed” from their agency, other employers and recruitment agencies

Myths

The agency would “black list” an applicant who cause the withdrawal of his/her application from ever securing the services of their agency, from the employers in which the applicant turn down the job opportunities, to other future employers from different companies and from the other licensed recruitment agencies in the Philippines.

Facts

There is nothing in the law that permits the agency to “black list “ an applicant from ever securing overseas work either thru its agency or other agencies in the Philippines. Common sense would tell us that even if the threat of “black listing” would prove to be successful, the same may only apply on the concerned agency and not to the other agencies. Nor would the concerned agency be successful in convincing the millions of employer world wide just to prove their point in order to get back to the applicant for its withdrawal of applications.

The recruitment of workers for overseas deployment is a money making business and no fool recruiter would prevent an applicant “blacklisted” by a particular agency from ever securing overseas employment thru their respective agency. If an applicant somehow got “black listed” in a particular agency due to his/her withdrawal of application, he/she may always seek the services of other agencies in the Philippines. All an applicant has to do is to visit either the website http://www.poea,gov,ph (for the complete listing of license recruitment agencies in the Philippines), http://www.jobstreet.com.ph and http://www.workabroad.ph (to get the details of overseas job vacancies per specialization, position, country and their corresponding interview dates) and submit his/her resume/CV together with the required documents (e.g. Machine [xerox] copies of TOR, Diploma, Employment Certificate, Training/Seminar Certificate, Passport, NBI Clearance, PRC I.D. and NSO Birth Certificate or CENOMAR) to the agency that advertised the overseas job vacancies that one desires and await for the call of the agency in case shortlisted for final interview with either the employer or representative.

 
7. Threatening the applicant of imprisonment for withdrawal of applicationsMythsOn account of the withdrawal of applications, the recruiter would threaten the applicant concern of possible criminal charges and imprisonment of the same unless there would be reconsideration of his/her decision of withdrawing its applications and take the job offered by employers.FactsThis is the most ignorant-type of explanation (a cent short of imbecility). There is nothing in the Revise Penal Code or in any special laws that would punish someone for the mere act of withdrawal of applications either for overseas or local work. Not being a crime, there is no legal basis to institute criminal proceedings against the applicant and the thought of imprisonment is only a “wishful thinking” of fairy tales fanatic owners/officers of local recruitment agencies. If an applicant did not commit any crime at all, why worry of the threat? On the contrary, it should be the agency that has to worry because violation of the law (e.g. Labor Code and R.A. 8042) warrants criminal prosecution especially in cases involving illegal recruitment (which can be committed in various ways).8. Involving the law enforcement agencies for refusal of the agency to return documents submitted by applicantMythsApplicant who, for one reason or another, decides to withdraw their application from a particular agency either before, during or after the processing of their papers and before departure demands the return of the documents submitted (e.g. passport, TOR, Diploma, NBI Clearance etc.) but the recruitment agency concern refuses to do so unless withdrawal fees are paid. Upon refusal of the recruiter, the applicant would seek the assistance of law enforcement authorities to compel the recruitment agency to release the submitted documents or face possible criminal charges in court for its refusal in violation of (alleged) laws.Facts

The law enforcement authorities (NBI and Police) comes’ into the picture only if there is a crime involved. In cases of applications for overseas work, only if there is a clear violation of the law (Labor Code, R.A. 8042 and POEA Rules and Regulations governing recruitment and placement of overseas workers) especially in cases of illegal recruitment, would it be proper to solicit the assistance of these agencies in order to protect their rights as enshrined in the law.

Withdrawal of applications (to include withdrawal of documents submitted) and the eventual refusal of the agency concerned to permit such withdrawal without reimbursing certain expenses incurred in relation to the processing of papers of the applicant do not amount to a crime. And since there is no crime, the law enforcement authorities have no business interfering with personal matters between the agency and applicant. It is also within the right of the agency to demand reimbursement for certain expenses arising from processing of papers of applicant since it is the applicant who caused the withdrawal and not the agency concerned.

9. Withdrawal of documents

Myths

The applicant may withdraw whatever documents he/she submitted to the agency at any time of the application process either before, during or after the processing of papers and is not required to pay any withdrawal fees since there is no successful placement and deployment of workers overseas to speak off. The applicant has every right to withdraw his/her application for whatever reason it may be.

Facts

There are two scenarios regarding withdrawal of documents: First, withdrawal of documents submitted before processing of papers; and Second, withdrawal of documents during or after the processing of papers.

Withdrawal of documents submitted can be easily done if the applicant decides to withdraw his/her documents after the filing of application or even after he/she was offered a job but later on decided to refuse to accept the offer for whatever reason, valid or not, but the same must be done prior to the processing of papers. In this case, the applicant need not make a withdrawal letter nor pay withdrawal fees because the agency did not incur any expenses yet relative to the processing of papers of the applicant. Depending on the agency, withdrawal of documents can be made only on a particular date and time usually Saturday.

However, withdrawal of documents made during or after the processing of papers by the agency (e.g. visa, POEA Job Order Accreditation etc) can only be made after payment of withdrawal fee corresponding to the expenses incurred by the agency in relation to the processing of papers of the applicant, The amount of withdrawal fee varies from one agency to another. (See topic on withdrawal fee for a detailed estimates of withdrawal fees to be paid by applicants)

Typically, only machine copies of required documents (e.g. Passport, NBI Clearance, TOR, Diploma, PRC license, Employment Certificates, Trainings/Seminar Certificate, NSO Birth Certificate and Certificate of No Marriage [CENOMAR]) are submitted to the agency whenever applying for any of the advertised overseas work. Other agencies, however, require the submission of original Passport and PRC license during the application stage which should be strictly avoided by applicants to avoid any problems thereafter. When an applicant would be offered job by the employer, the agency usually require the submission of original passport, PRC license and perhaps DFA authenticated TOR and Diploma for visa and POEA processing of papers purposes. When the applicant would submit the original documents required by the agency (e.g. Passport, NBI clearance, PRC license and DFA Authenticated TOR and Diploma) the processing of papers commences to run and the agency would to start to incur expenses along the way. So that when the applicant decides to withdraw his/her application for whatever reason it may be, the recruiter has every right to charge the applicant a withdrawal fee as reimbursement for expenses incurred relative to the processing of papers of the applicant. The applicant cannot do anything except to pay the withdrawal fees in exchange for the withdrawal of documents submitted.

Of the document submitted, it is only the passport and PRC license which is essential since it would take time to replace them. Other documents such as TOR, Diploma, NBI Clearance, Employment/Training/Seminar Certificate can be secured again in a short period of time. Since time, money and effort are considered essential elements in applying for overseas work, the continuous refusal of the recruitment agency to return original passport, PRC license and other machine copies documents unless the required withdrawal fee is paid, would prolong the timeframe of waiting time of applicants and perhaps re-start the whole application process again in other agencies.

10. Withdrawal Fees

Myths

Local recruitment agencies charge exorbitant withdrawal fees to include the processing of papers cost, placement fee, service fee and even airline tickets for applicant who withdrew their application either before, during or after the processing of papers with POEA, payment of POEA mandated fees (e.g. OWWA Membership Fee, PDOS Fee) and visa from concerned embassy of the country of destination.

Facts

There is a big difference if withdrawal of application is made either before the processing of papers or during/after the processing of papers.

Should an applicant decides to withdraw his/her application even before the processing of his/her papers by the agency, he/she is not expected to pay any “withdrawal fees” because the agency still did not incur any expenses in relation to the processing of papers. The only possible consequence of withdrawal of application at this stage is the applicant might be “blacklisted” (who cares, there are still a lot of agency out there) so to speak by the agency and the employer. In some instances, the applicant is even being branded “unprofessional” by these agencies perhaps because they failed to make any money out of the applicants.

However, the case is different if an applicant decides to withdraw his/her application when the agency had already started or finished processing papers relative to his/her deployment as they would already be incurring or had already incurred expenses. Aside from requiring applicants to write a formal withdrawal letter (whatever name they call it) and sometimes a personal talk or letter address to the employer explaining reasons of withdrawal, the applicants are also require to pay withdrawal fee (which is legally allowed) equivalent to the cost spent by the agency in processing the papers of the applicant.

But the question that most applicants ask when doing withdrawal of application is: How much withdrawal fees should I pay?

To answer this question, let’s take a look at the component of processing costs/fees. The processing costs include visa, POEA processing fee (for securing POEA Job Order Accreditation and others) and OWWA membership fees to be paid by the employer. (Section 2[a][c] and [d], Rule V, Part II of the 2002 POEA Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers) Given the standing POEA rules on processing costs/fees, the applicant practically has to pay only the Phil-Health/Medicare Coverage fee.

Then the next item that we have to examine is the service fee that local recruitment agency are allowed to charge from their principals to cover services rendered in the recruitment, documentation and placement of workers. (Section 1, Rule V, Part II of the 2002 POEA Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers) The amount of service fee is dependent upon the agreement of the employer and the local recruitment agency. Since there is no standard fee set for service fee, the amount of service fee shall be excluded in the computation of estimated withdrawal fees.

Other things that must also be taken into consideration when estimating for the amount of withdrawal fees to be paid to the agency is the cancellation fees for airline ticket. Airfare, though not part of processing cost, is also one of the fees shouldered by the employer. (Section 2[b], Rule V, Part II of the 2002 POEA Rules and Regulations Governing the Recruitment and Employment of Land-based Workers). Pre-departure Orientation Seminar (PDOS) fee of Php 150 shall also be taken into consideration if paid by the agency.

The visa fee varies depending on the country of destination. The POEA processing fee is set at US$ 100 or its peso equivalent (roughly Php 4,800 at Php 48:$1 exchange rate); OWWA membership fee is peg at US$ 25 or peso equivalent (around Php 1,200 at Php 48:$1 exchange rate) whereas the Phil-Health/Medicare Coverage stands at Php 900. If we follow the POEA rules that the visa, POEA processing fee and OWWA membership fee is to be paid by the employer, then the applicant needs only to pay the Phil-Health/Medicare Coverage fee which is Php 900.

To illustrate the point, assuming that the applicant decides to withdraw his/her application for employment in Saudi Arabia and the agency had already process his/her papers (e.g. visa, paid POEA Processing Fees, OWWA Fees and PDOS), how much “withdrawal fee” does an applicant have to pay?

According to the Embassy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia website, working visa sponsored and paid by employers shall cost approximately SR 2,000 (Php 26,000 at SR13:Php1 exchange rate). Adding the processing costs (e.g. POEA processing fee and OWWA membership fee) and the PDOS fee of Php 150, the following are the breakdown of “withdrawal fees” that an applicant is expected to pay:

Visa cost (from Saudi Arabia embassy) = Php 26,000
POEA Processing Fee = 4,800
OWWA Membership Fee = 1,200
PDOS Fee = 150
Grand Total (Withdrawal Fees) Php 32,150

For applicants deciding to withdraw their applications on the assumption that the agency had already process their papers (e.g. you already have a Saudi visa stamped in your passport, POEA Job Order Accreditation, paid your OWWA membership fee and PDOS fee), these applicants have to bear the brunt of paying a withdrawal fees amounting to Php 19,150 (excluding cancellation fees for airline ticket and service fee)

The cost is high not to include the expenses an applicant incurs when applying for an overseas work. The total amount may vary depending on which stage an applicant decides to withdraw his/her application. All he/she has to do is do some little math (addition and subtraction) to arrive at the approximate withdrawal fees to be paid that is sanctioned by the law.

One last reminder before payment of any withdrawal fees be made, it is the right of every applicant to ask the agency to substantiate their claims for expenses incurred properly supported by receipts duly recognized/authorize by the BIR. Do not pay for agency incurred expenses for processing of papers not supported by BIR (or Government) issued receipts. Even under the New Civil Code or the Tax Code, substantiation of expenses by way of receipts is required before any payments are made to ensure that only the actual expenses are reimbursed and avoid the instances of overpaying for something that one didn’t actually incur. No amount of explanation or legal sword play would divest the applicant’s right to demand BIR (or Government) issued receipt for expenses incurred by the agency relative to the processing of his/her papers for overseas work. Also, the reason why I suggest that applicants paying withdrawal fee to require the recruiter to substantiate their claim for reimbursement of expenses by way of BIR issued receipts is for income tax purposes on the part of the agency. They may earn income arising from payment of withdrawal fees but the government, thru the BIR, will tax them in return for earned income and that would slice their earning potentials. In this way, an applicant may also get back at the agency in some way.

Nota bene:

The estimated withdrawal fee is only for deployment of Land-base Workers (excluding Sea farers and Domestic Household Workers) The estimated Php 32,150 in withdrawal fees does not include the cancellation fees for plane ticket if an applicant had already a confirmed flight schedule but somehow failed to show up at the airport and service fee which is paid by the employer to the agency to cover services rendered in the recruitment, documentation and placement of workers. Cancellation fee for plane ticket does not cost that much but I am clue less as to the amount of service fee as this fee is dependent on the agreement between the employer and agency. The agency has a right to charge the service fee as part of withdrawal fees for lost of income attributable to the fault of the applicant. Had the applicant not withdrew his/her application, the agency may have earned a considerable amount of money for the applicants’ successful placement and deployment.

Final Words:

The moral of the story, before an applicant decides to withdraw his/her application at any stage of the application process, he/she should first weigh the corresponding consequence if the withdrawal of application is made. Would it be to his/her advantage or not? Is there a legitimate reason for the withdrawal? Would the applicant be willing to re-start the whole application process again in other agencies? Are we ready to throw everything away? Remember, the withdrawal of application will cost the applicants not only money but also time and effort.

Whether the reason for withdrawal of application is for good reason or not, it is up to the applicants to decide. Is it a DEAL or NO DEAL?

 
Taken From : July 15, 2009  (Posted for http://www.ofwguideforum.com)*** 

Essential Questions To Ask Before Applying In An Overseas Job

2011-03-28

Many overseas jobseekers failed to clarify with the recruitment agency the important details regarding the job vacancy being offered. Either they are too shy to ask or have completely forgotten all about it. Consequently, when the employment contract, visa and other travel documents arrives they began to have second thoughts in leaving the country. This does not only burden the philippine recruitment agency but the applicants as well.

In this article I will outline some of the important questions or details that an overseas filipino workers should ask with the recruitment agency before applying for an overseas position.

1. Salary and other perks - clarify as to what will the salary package will be. Clarifying this details is important since the jobseeker will have an understanfing as to whether the job position being offered will fit into the jobseeker’s income target. Some employers offer a low salary but have an enormous benefits such as free food, transportation etc. In some instances employers offer high salary but does give free housing, food etc.. Another example might be employers will provide a standard salary package on the first six months and increase the salary of the employee after the evaluation.

2. Years of contract – when I was working as a recruitment officer the standard years of contract is 2 years. However, nowadays employers are offering one year contract renewable on the next year. However this will depend on the approval of the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA).

3. Placement Fees - clarify what fees to be paid. Some recruitment agency does not charge applicants with placement fees or any kind of fees for the reason that the foreign employer is shouldering all the recruitment cost. On the other hand, some agency requires such fees to cover cost such as advertising, marketing and others.

4. Working hours and day-offs - In the Philippines, we are accustomed to work eight hours per day, this is not the case in other countries. Some position requires an employee to work at least 9 hours per day without compensating for the additional hour. In Taiwan, factory workers expects an overtime with pay every now and then.

5. Deadline for application and/or Timetable for deployment - This will give you an idea to prepare yourself if you are currently working. Some jobs have ready visa which means that they can be deployed in a matter of days or weeks after the employers have hired the jobseeker. Others will have longer time considering that the documentation process is time consuming especially for first time employers who will be hiring Filipinos.

Clarifying the above details will save everybody’s time (jobseeker, agency, employer). It is frustrating to everybody if all the travel documents have already been process then the jobseeker will back-out from the job position. So the next time you decide to be interviewed by the employer, asked your pre-screening advisor or recruitment officer the details of the job position.

Taken From:  philippineRECRUITMENTagency.com   link:    http://bit.ly/njrBni 

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60 comments on “Withdrawal of Applications: 10 Myths and Facts

  1. good evening sir bong, tanong lang po, tama po bang maningil ang isang recruitment agency ng 2500php para po makapag withdraw ng documents like passport and birth certificate, sa kadahilanang nag-back out ako sa isang approved interview ko sa kanila? then sabi nila na process na daw ang papers ko, kahit wala naman akong permiso to process my papers? ang iniwan ko lamang pong documents ay passport at BC? Kaya po kasi ako nag-iwan ng passport at BC kasi po may policy sila na “No Passport, No Interview”, tama din po ba ang ganoong sistema? Ano po kaya ang legal action na pwede ko pong gawin? Maraming Salamat po sa inyong pagtugon! God bless and more power!

    • Hi Lyz,

      Huwag kang magbitiw ng kahit isang singko bilang kabayaran sa withdrawal of docs. Habang wala pa pong kontratang napirmahan at hindi pa naipasa ang iyong pasaporte for visa stamping, wala pong namagitang transaksyon sa iyo at sa recruitment agency. Malinaw po na wala kang obligasyon na babayaran sa kanila.

      Kung magpumilit po, puntahan ang ating POEA office at bisitahan ang legal department. Kahit sino doon ay puwede mong lapitan upang ireklamo ang ahensya na ito.

      Regards.

  2. Additional po. Offer letter pa lang po pinipirmahan namin.Tapos po 29k placement fee namin. 15k lang ang magiging sahod namin monthly sa qatar. sabi nila yung yung 14k para daw sa visa stamping, processing at documentation. pero di pa namin to binabayaran. nagbayad din kami ng 1,200 para daw sa pagpapared ribbon ng nbi clearance namin.

    • Please read GMA News dated 13/01/2014:

      POEA reminds recruiters, OFWs on rules for placement fees
      January 13, 2014

      No placement fees for overseas Filipino worker (OFW) hired as domestic workers, caregivers and seafarers, and no placement fees for OFWs heading for five countries.

      This was the reminder of the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) on Sunday, as it reiterated its warning against recruiters violating the placement fee rules.

      “Fresh warning to violators of the POEA rules on placement fees. ZERO TOLERANCE, read my lips,” POEA chief Hans Leo Cacdac said on his Twitter account.

      He said there is no payment of placement fees for OFWs bound for:

      US (H2B visa)
      Canada
      United Kingdom
      Ireland
      Netherlands

      Placement fees for all other OFWs are allowed, but only for one month’s salary and only after an employment contract is signed.

      Cacdac also said an appropriate official receipt specifying the purpose of payment should be issued.

      He also reminded OFWs to deal only with POEA-licensed recruiters with POEA-registered foreign employers.

      “Deal only with a POEA-licensed recruiter witha POEA-registered foreign employer,” he said. — KBK, GMA News

  3. Sir Bong,

    Thanks sa page po ninyo at madami po kayung natutulungan. Anyway, first time po namin mag apply sa agency pa – middle east. Nag post po ako sa workabroad, at super madami po ang mga tumawag saakin, one of the agencies is AKIRO International. ang marketing spoke person / ung taong nag cocontact sa mga job applicants is INDIAN. Pnapunta po nya kami kahapon (Feb 11) sbi nya is i submit namin mga documents namin (diko po sya gaanong maintndhan thru phone call po kc ang conversation namin) so nag submit po kami ng mga photocopied documents (passport, tor, diploma, etc.) then ang sb samin ng mga tao dun sa office nila need po muna namin magpaprocess ng DATA FLOW then mag take ng Haad, pero pwede po kmi magpaprocess ng DATE flow then ma hire na, pag dating sa Abudhabi duon kmi mag titake ng Haad.

    Then today po, tumawag po ulit ung Indian, ang sb po nya saakin is dapat po daw na iniwan namin sa office nila is ung passport (original copy) para po daw maline up kami, and the processing is 15 days, unlike kung mga photocopied documents mga months po daw ang aabutin nun. satingin nyo po sir Bong, reliable po ba ang agency na ito. Ang mga taong inabutan po kc namin sa office eh hindi naman po nag suggest na iwan namin ang mga passport namin.

    Thank you po.

    • Lisensyado naman ang agency na ito ngunit tingnan po ninyo sa POEA kung meron po ba talagang Job Order ang agency for Abu Dhabi. Paa at least makasiguro tayo. Tunhkol naman po sa passport, ang ito ay hinihingi lamang kung lahat ng requirements ay kompleto ka na. Kasi pag hingin na ang passport, ibig sabihin for visa stamping na po ito. Pasyalan po ang ating POEA.

      AKIRO INTERNATIONAL MANPOWER SERVICES CO Private Employment Agency
      RM 401 4FLR NFWCP BLDG 962 J LLANES ESCODA ST MALATE, MANILA
      Tel No/s : 4980602/ 09106324589
      Email Address : akirocompany@gmail.com
      Website : None
      Official Representative : JOHNA HENRY T QUIAZON
      Status : Valid License
      License Validity : 3/4/2013 to 3/4/2017

  4. good day po sir.
    I read some of the posts here and one of my questions got answered. Pero may tanong pa po ako and sana matulongan nyo po ako. Nag-withdraw din po kasi ako sa ina-applyan ko. bale 3 po kami na nag-apply and ako lang po ang nagwithdraw. Ngaun po, masamang masama ung loob ng dalawang kasama ko po kasi hindi daw po sila mavisahan kasi ako daw po ang rason kasi nagwithdraw po kasi ako. Yun po kasi ang sinabi ng agent namin na rason sa kanila.Sa ngayon po tinethreaten po ako ng agent na maghanap ng kapalit ko kasi ngbackout na nga po ako. So parang ang mangyayari po hindi ibibgay ung mga docs ko po at hindi niya ilalakad ung dalawang kasama ko po hanggat wala po akong nahanap na kapalit. Totoo po ba talaga na hindi navivisahan ung dalawang kasama ko dahil po sa pagback-out ko po?
    Salamat po at sana makapagreply po kau.

    • Malinaw po na tinatakot nila ang iyong mga kasamahan upang hindi mo ituloy ang pag withdraw. Hindi rin po totoo na hindi mabibisahan ang iyong 2 kasamahan kung mag back out ka.

      Kung sakali man na ipitin ka puwede kang magsumbong sa POEA at maghain ng formal complaint doon. Hanapin mo lang si Trustee Alexander Asuncion at banggitin mo po ang aking pangalan at ang ating blog. Itanong mo lang kung saan ang kanyang tanggapan. Huwag kang mahiya, mabait po itong tao at isang dating OFW rin.

  5. gud pm po sir….donna po e2 ask kolng po sana if my binabayaran po ba talagang pa documentation po ng nbi? ang pinababayaran po kz samin ng agency po nmin maliban sa placement na p18k my 7,500 pa daw for that…dapat po ba talagang my babayaran? tnx! god bless

  6. Nakapunta na po ako ng POAE kanina..nasabe ko po lahat ng nangyare sir bong..padalan daw po nila ng letter yung agency at sila daw po mismo ang papapuntahin dito po sa baguio para po makipagusap sken..at bilin po ng POEA na wag ko daw po pansinin ang pananakot n ginagawa nila po sa akin..maraming salamat po talaga..sir marame pa po sana kayong matulungan gaya ko..=)

  7. Good eve po sir bong.pumirma po kasi ako ng job offer sa isang agency at kinuha po nila ang aking passport.Then 2 weeks later po tinawagan po ako ng agent namin na my visa daw pong dumating sakin at kailangan ko daw pong lumawas agad ng manila.Ang sinabe ko po sa agent namen hindi ko po sure n makakaluwas ko ng binigay nilang araw . Hanggang sa hindi n nga po ko naka punta..npag disisyunan ko na i withdraw na lang ang aking passport sa agency.Ngayon po sinabe po sa akin ng agent namen n hindi daw po pwedeng iwithdraw ang aking passport pinababayaran po sa akin yung visa na nirelease sa akin.Sa halagang P 17,000 nalaman ko po sa isa naming kasamahan na hindi po pala dapat sa akin yung visa na lumabas kundi dun sa isa pa pong kasamahan namen na nag kaproblema sa passport na expired.At nalaman ko po na ako po yung ipinalit dun sa taong my expired na passport. Pwede po bang ganun ang gawen nung agency na yun kahit wala po akong pinipirmahang kontrata sa kompanyang papasukan sana nung taong dapat na napili para dun sa trabahong yun?Hanggang ngayon po sinusubukan ko pong kuhanin yung passport ko dun sa agency na yun at ayaw po nilang ibigay hanggat hindi ko daw po nababayaran/tubos sa halagang p 17,000 yung visa n hindi ko man lang po nakita,nabasa at nahawakan?anu po ang dapat na gawin ko at anu po yun mga tamang proseso para sa pagkuha ko po sa kanila ng aking passport?Totoo po bang “blacklisted” din po ko sa poea at dfa at hindi daw po ako makakaalis ng bansa hanggat hindi ko daw po nababayaran yung visa n yun??
    Maraming salamat po..

    • Hi Lanne,

      Hindi po makatarungan at wala pong batas na nagsasabing babayaran ang visa kung nag withdraw po ang isang aplikante. Wala rin pong batas na nagsasabing puwedeng hindi ibigay ng agency ang pasaporte sa aplikante kung hindi nagagamit. Ang pasaporte po ay pag-aari lamang po ninyo at wala pong ibang mag mamay-ari nito kundi ikaw lamang.

      Hindi rin po totoo na ma-blacklist ang isang aplikante sa POEA. Wala ka pang pinirmahang kontrata ng ikaw ay magpasya mag-widthdraw.

      Lanne, huwag kang magbigay ng kahit isang kusing sa agency at kung mag pumilit sila, puntahan mo po sa POEA si Mr. Alex Asuncion isa sa mga governing board ng POEA. Magtanong ka lang kung saan po ang kanyang opsina roon at kung anong araw po siya nagpupunta sa kanyang opsina. Sabihin mo sa kanya ang iyong problema at banggitin mo po ang aking pangalan, pakisabi kaibigan nyo po sa Riyadh, KSA si Bong Amora ang siyang nag refer sa iyo sa kanya.

      Good luck at ingat.

      Bong

  8. sir sana maka receive ako ng reply
    nag apply ako sa agency medical done, prometrics for saudi done pero hndi ko naipasa
    yung original authenticated by dfa tor,diploma and passport ko iniwan ko s agency dahil ni require nila ako.then they are letting me pay 15,600pesos para daw sa processing fee ko.1st timer ako to apply abroad ngayon gusto ko i-withdraw docs ko pero di ko makuha kasi natatakan na yung passport ko ng visa. may pina sign sakin na contract but the contract doesn’t state the work that I applied for. Dental Nurse inapplyan ko pero dental assistant nakalagay sa contract.

    questions:
    mababawi ko ba docs ko and how much will i pay kaya for the damages I’ve done daw?
    tama po ba ang processing fee na sinisingil sakin?
    pwede po ba ako umalis and work sa saudi kahit di ko naipasa prometrics?hindi kaya delikado yun?

    sana po masagot queries ko..thank you

    -bubbles

    • Bubbles,

      Since natatakan na ang iyong passport ng visa, you need to consult your situation sa POEA. Bisitahan mo po doon ang legal department para mabigyan ka ng konkretong sagot, ok.

      bong

  9. good day po! very timely po ang pagbasa ko sa blog nyo kc i’m really bothered with the turn of events lately. i’m a nurse and i’m bound to work in one of the biggest private hospitals in riyadh, actually, it’s my 2nd time to work in the same place. i have already given to the agency all the pertinent docs needed for my dispatch and i’ve signed a contract with them already(i haven’t given my processing fee yet ).

    however, the problem is that, the agency will not furnish me a copy of my contract coz “bawal daw” according to one of the staff there. worst thing pa, kung kelan me paalis na saka ko dn na encounter ang forum regarding my suppose to be employer and how they treat the nurses there. i’m afraid to become a victim of a switching of contract once i get there. just what happened to my sister when she went to bahrain. the agreed salary amount here in the phils was not materialized when she reached the hospital she worked for, in fact, they had to sign a new one–a fraction less than what was agreed.

    one more thing, i suspect the reason why they won’t give in to a copy request is that, in that contract, it was specified that i will work 48 hrs, any excess thereof will be paid accordingly and among other facts and figures which could pose a detriment to them. what struck me in this particular forum is that, the nurse (a former employee) who commented on wrote that, it’s a forced ot, w/o pay (good day po! very timely po ang pagbasa ko sa blog nyo kc i’m really bothered with the turn of events lately. i’m a nurse and i’m bound to work in one of the biggest private hospital sa riyadh, actually my 2nd time to work in the same place. i have already given to the agency all the pertinent docs needed for my dispatch and i’ve signed a contract with them already(processing fee na lang ang kulang).

    however, the problem is that the agency will not furnish me a copy of my contract coz “bawal daw” according to one of the staff there. worst thing pa, kung kelan me paalis na saka ko dn na encounter ang forum regarding my suppose to be employer and how they treat the nurses there. i’m afraid to become a victim of a switching of contract once i get there. just what happened to my sister when she went to bahrain. the agreed salary amount here in the phils was not materialized when she went there, in fact, they had to sign a new one–a fraction less than was agreed.

    one more thing, i suspect the reason why they won’t give in to a copy request is that, in that contract, it was specified that i will work 48 hrs any excess will be paid accordingly and among others. but the nurse who commented on this forum said that it’s a forced ot, w/o pay (http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Dr-Sulaiman-Al–habib-Medical-Centre/reviews.)

    please help on what recourse should i take?what shall i do if they won’t give me the piece of paper that matters most to me? would it be a sufficient ground that i can justify my move to withdraw my papers and passport?i’m desperate. your views will be deeply appreciated.God bless and Merry Christmas.

    best regards.

    • Hi! If you’re referring to Dr. Sulaiman Al Habib Hospital, this hospital employs many OFW nurses. Mayroon po silang branches around riyadh and other areas located in Central Region. It seems to me na medyo ok naman ang patakaran at pakikitungo nila sa mga employees, pero kung meron mang mga problema katulad ng iyong nabanggit, so far wala pa akong naririnig tungkol dito. Kung meron man, baka sa mga bagong salta ito nangyayari dahil ang mga kaibigan kong nakahalobilo na nag work sa Habib ay wala namang nabanggit na ganitong problema.

      Well, kung may doubt po kayo, may karapatan po kayong mag withdraw ng inyong application, wala po silang magagawa kung ayaw mo. Ang importante, wala ka pang naibigay na placement fee. With regards to bawal makita ang kontrata, hindi po tama ang sagot nila, dahil tayong lahat na mga OFW ay may right na makita ang kontrata. Wala pong batas na nagsasabing bawal pong makita ang kontrata.

      Siguro po, dapat po kayong magsumbong sa POEA tngkol sa ganitong pamamaraan ng agency. Lapitan po ninyo ang legal department ng POEA at isangguni ang iyong mga concerns.

      Regards.

  10. Rose,

    Dahil may schedule na conciliation between you and the agency sa POEA, mas nakakabuti siguro kung hintayin mo na kung ano ang kahinatnan nito. Ang ganito kasing pagkakamali ng agency ay puwedeng maging malaking problema pagdating ng worker at site. Kung may time ka pasyalan mo ang POEA legal department before ahead of the schedule hearing at alamin ang nararapat na gawin. Huwag padalos dalos ng desisyon.

    Bong

    • Depende po sa employer kasi sila po ang mag provide nito. Ito ay tinatawag na PTA (prepaid ticket) na kung saan may date na ang ticket at puwede rin itong ma re-book ng agency kung kinakailangan na bagohin ang date of departure. Pero ang PTA ay may hangganan depende po sa expiration nito. Kung tutuusin madali itong ma-issue depende nga lang sa bilis ng employer.

  11. hi po sir bong..
    ask ko lng po regarding sa visa, ganito po ung situation ko, ng apply po ako sa agnecy noong oct. 1, 2012 as private nurse sa qatar and then sinabi po ng agency na mgpa medical ako sa oct. 2,2012 pero hindi po ako ngpamedical at sinabi ko po sa kanila na e withdraw na ang application ko kasi nkapag apply na po ako sa saudi as nurse. tpos this nov. 5 i received a call and sinabi po nils na my visa na dw po ako. nagulat po ako kasi po hindi nmn po ako ng sign ng contract sa kanila at sa akin po ung original passport ko. tpos they threaten me na ipapa blacklist po nila ako sa poea. tpos for now i’m waiting for my appication in saudi as a nurse. mkakakuha po ba ako ng visa sir sa saudi if hindi nila ipapacancel ung visa ko sa qatar? please i need your help sir bong kung anu ang gagawin ko. thanks much..

    • Puwede po nilang ilipat ang visa sa ibang aplikante. Wala naman pong pangalan na nailagay dito not unless ito ay maistampa na sa iyong pasaporte at pagdating mo sa Qatar, bibigyan ka ng work permit na kung saan nakasulat na ang iyong pangalaan.

      Ang importante, nasa sa iyo pa ang iyong pasaporte. Pag ang pasporte ay nagkaroon na ng tinatawag na “Visa Stamping” or Visa Stamp, mahirap na pong umatras.

  12. Good morning,
    sir bong i just want to ask kung makakakuha po ba ako ng visa sa saudi arabia if i have visa in qatar? hindi nmn po na stamp sa passport ko ung visa kasi po pinavisahan ako ng agency without my consent i applied po kasi as private nurse dun. a day after my application na withdraw ko na po ang application ko kasi nkaapply ako as a nurse sa saudi. hindi po ako pumirma ng contract sa kanila at hindi po ako ngpamedical exam nagulat nlng po ako my visa na ako. i need your help sir bong. Thanks

  13. Gud day! tanong ko lang po kung ano ang magging consequences kung sakaling mg-withdraw ako ng application sa agency ko. kasi po ng-apply ako sa knila as private nurse (which is under Household workers daw po) sa JEDDAH nung first week of september 2012, sinubmit ko lhat ng requirements n hiningi nila (original passport, prc license, tor,..etc), then ngpamedical po ako at nging FTW, after medical ng-PDOS, TESDA, at OWWA po ako, all under my expense. After ko po masubmit ung mga certificates n un (PDOS, OWWA, at TESDA household NC2) humingi cla ng 7thousand pesos para daw po sa processing fee sa POEA. Pgkatapos po nun ay pinauwi muna nila ako para makasama ko p daw family ko ksi malapit na daw ako lumipad, 2-3days lang daw po kc ok na ung OEC ko then after nun pregnancy test lang ulit then lipad na. Mahigit 1month na po ako nghihintay pero hanggang ngaun hindi pa rin nla ako tinatawagan. Tinawagan ko na po cla ng ilang beses pero ang sabi nla ay kesyo under processing pa rin, hindi pa nirrelease ng POEA, natatagalan ang POEA dahil sa bagong employment contract bound to saudi. Tumawag na rin po ako sa POEA at ang sabi nla my job order nmn daw po ung agency ko. Ano po kaya ang magandang gawin ko? Dapat p rin po ba ako maghintay o iwithdraw ko n lang ang application ko? Ano po kaya ang babayaran ko kung mgwithdraw ako, given na ako ang ngbayad ng medical, PDOS, OWWA at TESDA training ko? salamat po..

    • Dhelsie,

      Kung Household Service Worker ang kinalalagyan mo, totoo po na hindi pa naumpisahan ang pag verify sa mga kontrata ng FHW dahil nga po sa wala pang POEA standard Recruitment Agreement for HSWs between the Phil. agency and KSA agency. Ang sabi po baka meron na by first week of December. May posting po a ko tungkol dito sa ating home page. Kung talagang pursigido kang pumunta sa Saudi, maghintay hintay po kayo ng developements within this week. Pero kung gusto mong mag withdraw, andiyan naman po ang sagot sa ating posting tungkol dito pero kung may tanong ka pa or hindi naintindihan sa 10 Myths and Facts, bisitahan po ninyo ang POEA at puntahan ang legal department ng POEA upang humingi ng eksaktong payo tungkol sa inyong tanong.

      Bong

  14. helo po sir bong,tanong ko lang po,ang husband ko nag pasa ng original passport at nbi sa agency pero hindi pa cya naka pag medical at wala pa rin po cyang binayaraan na processing fee at wala pa po cyang visa.nung tinawagan namin ang agency sabi nila pina process pa daw po..pero naka pirma na cya ng offer letter hnd pa yung employment contract talaga,kc sa fon interview lang yung employer nya..ngayon po gusto po sana i.withdraw yung application nya sa agency may bbayran po ba cya..sir totoo po ba yung no medical-no visa…kung ganun po..pwd pa palang makuha yung passport ko na walang babayaran..?.thanks in advance po..

  15. Sir Bong, Sa Saudi Arabia po ako nag apply, Riyadh, thru a local agency here in our country. Sa offer sheet 10 hrs of regular work po ang demand sa akin, in excess of the 10-hr regular work hours ay chargeable as ot. Ano po ba ang regular work hours sa Saudi as prescribed by their laws on labor po?

    • Q28 What is the rule on working hours under the Saudi Labor Law?

      A: A worker may not actually work for more than eight hours a day if the employer uses the daily work criterion or more than forty-eight hours a week if he uses the weekly criterion. (Art. 98, SLL)

      Q29 Are there exceptions to the eight-hour rule? A: Yes, during the month of Ramadan, the actual working hours for Muslims shall be reduced to a maximum of six hours a day or thirty-six hours a week (Art. 98, 2nd sentence, SLL). Likewise, the working hours may be raised to nine hours a day for certain
      categories of workers or in certain industries and jobs where the worker does not work continuously. It may likewise be reduced to seven hours a day
      for certain categories of workers or in certain hazardous or harmful industries or jobs. (Art. 99, SLL)

      Q30 Can the employer legally require the worker to work beyond the regular eight-hours work? A: While the law provides for the eight actual working hours per day exclusive of the intervals for prayers, rest and meals, it also authorizes the employer to require the workers to work beyond, or in excess
      of the regular eight working hours. The following are the exceptions to the 8 hour rule:

      (1) Annual inventory activities, preparation of budget, liquidation, closing of accounts and preparations for discount and seasonal sales, provided that the number of days during which the workers work shall not exceed thirty days a year.

      (2) If the work is intended to prevent hazardous accident, remedy its impact or avoid an imminent loss of perishable materials.
      (3) If the work is intended to meet unusual work pressure.
      (4) Eids, other seasons, occasions and seasonal activities specified pursuant to a decision by the Minister.

      In all of the above cases, the actual working hours shall not exceed ten hours a day or sixty hours a week. (Art. 106, SLL)

      Frequently Asked Questions Saudi Labor Law
      Philippine Embassy in Riyadh
      Atty. Cesar L. Chavez, Jr.
      (POLO–]OWWA) 2011

  16. Dear Sir Bong,

    Greetings! Nag-apply ako Saudi last june 28, 2012 and pinagmedical po ako ng July 17, 2012, Sagot ko po expenses ng medical ko. After 3 days, tumatawag ako sa agency pero wala po sumasagot. I thought bagsak po ako sa medical kasi may history po ako. Then after a week tumawag po ung employer (from Saudi) sa akin at tinanong po ako sa medical ko. Sabi ko po wala ako idea kasi hindi pa po nag-fofollow up ung Agency. Then, tumawag po ako sa agency, pagkasagot po ng Phone,, sinigaw-sigawan po ako at napakaunprofessional ko po daw kasi hindi ako nag-uupdate sa application. Nakita ko na lang po sa email ko na pina-paexpedite pala ung application ko, ang problem po for renewal ung passport ko.They need to deploy me three weeks from the date po ng medical ko. Mejo na pressure po ako sa kanila at nagkaproblem po ako sa health. May enlargement of the heart po ako. So i decided na i-turn down ung application, i wrote a letter through email about the situation. SInce wala pa po ako napapasa na requirements aside from my medical at xerox copy ng TOR. Then nagreply po ung admin ng employer na i-blacklist po nila ako sa company at POEA. ano po ma-aadvice nyo. Thanks po and God bless you more!

  17. Sir Bong magandang gabi po ,nag apply po ako sa isang agency sa work abroad,,nag send po ako ng Resume tapos po after one month tinawagan po ako ng agency sabi nila selected daw po ako ng employer going to Qatar pinadalhal po ako ng Appointment letter at pina pirmahan po sa akin, at kinuha po nila ang passport ko original copy at binigyan po ako ng medical request..at sabi po nila after 3days na nagpamedical exam po ako ay FTW at may visa na daw po ako at ihanda ko na ang pang Processing Fee na 7tawsan pesos,, ok na po sana sa akin pero next day tumawag po sila sa akin at sinabi na 13tawsan daw po ang buong Processing fee pero 7tawsan daw po muna sa una at pag may ticket at contrata dun na lang daw po ang 6tawsan.. sabi ko po ay withdraw ko nalang po ang application ko kasi ang sobrang laki ng Processing fee..Bukod pa yung Placement Fee na 21tawsan base on my 1month salary na kailangan ko raw pong ibigay ng Cash pag paalis na ako..sabi nila babayaran ko daw po ang ginastos ng employer sa pagkuha ng visa para sa akin tama po ba yun…firstime po kasi ako nag aply sa abroad,,,,marami pong salamat….

    • Palagay ko po naloko ka sa ganitong arrangement ng singilan, pumunta ka sa POEA as soon as possible at maghain ng complain laban sa buwayang recruitment agency na ito. Ang legal na gastosin ng applikante ay ang one month placement fee po lamang equivalent to your monthly salary.

    • Sir Bong Have a Productive Day PO! May mga katanungan lang po ako regarding sa applications ko bound to saudi, May agency po akong inapplyan sa manila ang company po ai Gulf pearl Engineering,pero nung naissuehan naman na po ako ng Visa, Pehya ali alshaiban na po ang nakalagay sa principal name nya…. at ngayun pagchinecheck ko sa internet kung anu ang meron sa company na ito, wala naman po ako makitang info dahil wala pong site ang pehya ali alshaiban na ito…. at isa pa pong napansin ko during Medical Exam ko. nilagay nung secretary ng agency sa position ko ay Laborer Gayung Mechanical Engineer ang inaapplyan kong trabaho.. hindi po ba magkakaproblema kung sakaling nandun na ako at nagkagipitan pagdating ko doon? Sa ngayun po ai nagdududa nako at buti nalang nakita ko ang site na ito kaya ngayun palang po nais ko po sanang huningi ng kasagutan sa mga itatanung ko.. Pwede pa po ba akong magwithdraw ngayung tapos na medical ko at nakapag pdos narin po ako? o kaya naman po ai kung ideclara ko po bang Lost passport ako para makapagapply ng panibagong passport, d po ba mabloblocklist ang pangalan ko? anu po ang maari kong gawing hakbang ng sa gayun ai maumpisahan ko na pagwithdraw sa application ko? hinihilinh ko po ang inyung agad na kasagutan sir bong…. maraming salamat po

      • hi pingz8161! we have same problem. nag apply ako sa SAF INTERNATIONAL SERVICES as nail technician bound to RIYADH, KSA. nag medical at nag PDOS na din ako. nakalagay sa POSITION ko ay SEWER. tinanong ko sa agency kung bakit ganun ang sabi sa akin ay yun daw ang gagamitin kong ENTRY VISA dahil yun daw ang available na visa ng employer pero pag dating ko daw dun nail technician ang work ko. mejo natakot ako at nag iisip na lang to withdraw my application. Isa pa din na kinatakot ko ay when i ask them the name and address ng pagtatrabuhan ko ay sinabi nilang AL MASHATA BEAUTY CENTER. Nung niresearch ko yun may nakita naman akong information yung nga lang AL MASHATA BEAUTY CENTER, DOHA QATAR. wala kong makita na RIYADH.

        • I salute you for your initiative in searching for answer to your doubts and questions. Tama po, na tayong mga OFW ay maging smart at huwag basta basta tatanggap or pipirma ng kontrata without verifying first the existence kung sino ang maging employer ninyo. Ang recruitment agency po, hindi naman po lahat in fairness sa iba, ay wala pong iniisip kundi ang placement fee ninyo at fees na matatanggap nila sa kanilang mga parokyano. Pag may mangyari po sa inyo sa ibang bansa, wala na po itong pakialam.

          Ang atin pong teknolohiya sa ngayon gaya ng internet ay makakatulong po sa atin sa paghanap ng kasagutan sa ating mga katanongan. Hindi basta basta ang mangingibang bayan at kung sakaling tatanggapin ninyo ito inspite of the risk na inyong nakikita or napapansin, make sure po na tatanggapin po ninyo ang mga consequences at wala pong ibang sisisihin kundi kayo or tayo mismo dahil bakit tayo nagpaloko. SAbi nga nila, “walang naloloko kung hindi magpaloko”.

  18. hello si Bong,
    ask ko lang po kung tama po bang Php18000 ang penalty kapag ako ay nagwithdraw ng aking application. naprocess ko na po lahat like passport, poea, owwa, pdos, dfa at ngayon on going po ang training namin sa tesda for domestic workers in kuwait. anu po ang gagawin ko kung ako ay magbaback out na?
    please give me advice sir Bong. thank you!

    • Wala pong bingnggit ang POEA na magbayad ng halagang P 18,000.00 as penaly ang mga aplikanteng nag withdraw ng application sa kanilang agency. Ito po ay panloloko. Kung gusto mo talagang malaman kung ano ang mga consequences sa withdrawl of application ,you visit POEA office in your area and inquire about it, para sigurado tayo.

      Sorry for late reply.

  19. Sir Bong..
    Have a blessed day to you and your family..
    Sir.. dumudulog po ako sa inyo para mabigyan mo ako ng advices mo tungkol po sa problemang kinakaharap ko ngayn..
    Nag apply po ako sa isang agency para sa position bound for papua new guinea, pumasa ako sa interview via skype with the employer at nakatanggap ako ng offer at contract at nagkapirmahan na kami..naibigay ko na rin po sa agency ang lahat ng mga requirements, tapos napo ako sa medical exam at fit to work na ako. i.e. TOR, certificates, basta lahat.. pati ang scanned copy ng passport ko.. but the original is with me, I did not surrender it to the agency… at nagbigay na po ako ng 2000 pesos na hiningi ng representative ng agency para daw sa notarial sa mga documents ko. .that happens last mid of December, 2011 and the agency told me na pina process na po sa papua ang visa ko..at tatatwagan na lng ila ako kung may updates na… because of the span of times, habang naghihintay ako, great opportunities comes my way.. at nakapag decide ako na d ko na lang itututoy yung sa papua..hintayin ko na lng itong para sa ksa… .just this week, tawag na ng tawag sa akin ang agency at cguro may mali din ako.. kasi d ko na sinasagot ang mga tawag niya.. till nag text cya sa akin na kung d ko raw cya sasagutin, ipapa blacklist nya ako sa POEA at may mga law charges pa daw po ako..

    Ngayn po sir tanong ko.. possible bang ma blacklisted ako sa POEA at magkakaroon ng charges?… ang kinakatakot ko lng ay baka pag mag process na ako ng employement ko for KSA.. naka blacklist na ako sa POEA..
    Sir bong, please tell what shall I do wit this..

    Thanks and God Bless…

    budz

    • Please read No. 6:

      6. Threatening the applicant of getting “black listed” from their agency, other employers and recruitment agencies

      Myths

      The agency would “black list” an applicant who cause the withdrawal of his/her application from ever securing the services of their agency, from the employers in which the applicant turn down the job opportunities, to other future employers from different companies and from the other licensed recruitment agencies in the Philippines.

      Facts

      There is nothing in the law that permits the agency to “black list “ an applicant from ever securing overseas work either thru its agency or other agencies in the Philippines. Common sense would tell us that even if the threat of “black listing” would prove to be successful, the same may only apply on the concerned agency and not to the other agencies. Nor would the concerned agency be successful in convincing the millions of employer world wide just to prove their point in order to get back to the applicant for its withdrawal of applications.

      The recruitment of workers for overseas deployment is a money making business and no fool recruiter would prevent an applicant “blacklisted” by a particular agency from ever securing overseas employment thru their respective agency. If an applicant somehow got “black listed” in a particular agency due to his/her withdrawal of application, he/she may always seek the services of other agencies in the Philippines.

  20. Sir Bong,
    Yung agency po na ay nag-gurantee na mapapaalis nya ako within 6 months kaya po pinagbayad na nya ako ng half ng placement fee plus other documentation fees.After 2 years,hindi pa din po ako nakakaalis. So nagdecide na po ako na i-withdraw ang application ko,pwede po ba nila bawasan ang ibinayad ko na more than 100k kahit na sila ang hindi nakasunod sa guaranteed period nila?Pinaasa at pinaghintay po nila ako.Hindi ko na din po tinanggap yung ibang overseas job offer sa akin sa kakahintay sa promised deployment ko sa kanila. Maraming salamat po.

    Eds

    • Sir Bong,
      Maidagdag ko lang po,wala kami agreement na magbabawas sya ng any fee.Nung nag-guarantee yung agency 2 years ago,ang sabi po nya pag hindi nila ako napa-alis,ibabalik nila yung pera na ibinayad ko.Wala pa din po visa stamp ang passport ko,pwede ba nila ako i-charge ng visa processing fee nun?

      Salamat,
      Eds

      • If ever they will ask for payment of the processing fee, you have the right to ask the agency to substantiate their claims for expenses incurred properly supported by receipts and do not pay for agency incurred expenses for processing of papers not supported by BIR (or Government) issued receipts.

    • Ed,

      After 2 years???? Wala kayang hokus pokus itong agency na ito? Hindi mo kasalanan, karapatan mong kunin ng buo ang iyong naibayad sa kanila. Kung ayaw nilang ibalik sa iyo ang pera tawagan mo ang mga numerong ito (POEA) at pakisabi ni-refer kayo ng OFwempwerment blog or banggitin mo ang name ko.

      Celso Hernandez, POEA Chief, Operations and Surveillance Division # 722-1192.

      or Director Lucia Villamayor, Licensing Branch # 726-3265.

      Keep me update.

      Bong

  21. Sir Bong,

    Thanks po sa reply nyo sa isang post ko. May concern pa po kasi ako SIr.. For now, my passport has been stamped with a saudi working visa already. Pero willing na po talaga akong mag withdraw ng passport ko, so I filed for a visa cancellation. The agency required me to submit a cancellation letter which I did a day after they requested from me. It has been a week, and I always call them for the status, but they cannot provide me with updates, when I talked to their President/Owner, I realized she has been holding my passport, still not processing my request kasi gusto nila hintayin yung documents ng employer ko for POEA accreditation which has been delayed for 2 months, running 3 months already (yan ang reason why i’m backing out from this employer for the waiting has been so long). She is telling me to just wait, without even giving me a time frame. What can I do po regarding this? Kasi I really need to have my passport as soon as possible for me to be open to other employers, kailangan ko na po kasi talaga ng trabaho abroad. Are there any consequences on my part for the visa cancellation? Thank you.

    Waiting for your advice,
    Joey

    • Joey,

      Pasensya na pero nagtataka lang ako, how come na naistampahan ang iyong pasaporte na sabi mo hindi pa ito accredited ng POEA? Ang visa stamping ang isa sa mga huling proseso para ma-deploy ang isang OFW.

      Payo ko sa iyo, pasyalan ang POEA at ipaalam sa kanila ang iyong situwasyon.

      Bong

  22. Hi Sir,

    Ganito po yung case namin….Two years contract po kami, ayon sa contract yung IQAMA po sagot ng employer, pero pagdating dito, kami po ang nagbayad ng IQAMA. Ngaun po, nagreklamo po kami sa agency namin sa Pinas na binawasan kami ng IQAMA fee, nag follow up naman po agency namin , kaya lng ala ngyari sa pag uusap nila. Since Salary Deduction po kami, naniningil napo agency namin sa employer ng placement fee. Dahil nga sa aming reklamo dahil sa IQAMA, ang employer namin ndi na naki alam sa kasunduan namin between Employee at Agency na mag deduct ng One Month Equivalent Placement Fee. Ang nangyari sa amin na dumirekta ng paniningil yung Agency. Ang napag kasunduan namin ng mga kasama ko, na mag babayad kami ng Placement Fee pero ibawas nila yung binayad namin sa IQAMA equivalent to 1500SR for two years. At yun ang sinabi namin sa representing agency nila dyan sa Al Khobar. Hindi sila pumayag ng ganon, hahabulin daw nila ung employer namin. Pero gang ngayon ala nangyari sa kanila between Employer at Agency. One time tumawag samin ung agency nila d2 at ang sabi pag uwi namin hold daw kami nag Immigration at derecho sa NBI. Kahapon naman nagpadala sila demand letter na kung d kami makapag bayad ng Placement Fee within five days, ipapa-Blacklist daw po kami sa POEA.

    Tanong ko po, pwede po ba kami Ipa-Blacklist ng Agency sa POEA na ang grounds ay di pagbayad ng Placement Fee? Willing naman po kami mgbayad kya lang gusto namin ibawas ung IQAMA Payment namin.
    Pag-uwi namin po ba Pinas dederecho po ba kami ng NBI, without criminal offense or this is pure harassment.
    Ano po ba magandang advice nyo para samin tungkol d2 sa problem.

    Salamat po

    • Jorge,

      Ang kasunduan ay kasunduan at meron rin kayong pinirmahan sa Agency na bayaran ninyo ang placement fee through salary deduction. Ibig sabihin obligado po kayong magbayad. Pero hindi po dapat gawing pananakot ang mga salitang ipa-NBI at ipa blacklist. Wala pong katotohanan ang mga panankot ng mga KUPAL na agency sa Pinas. Ang lahat ng desisyon na maaring maging sanhi ng pagkakulong or pag blacklist ay may proseso at ang proper forum lamang ang makapag-desisyon kung kayo ba ay may kasalanan o wala. Huwag po kayong matakot sa mga UNPROFESSIONAL RECRUITMENT AGENCY na pera lamang ang nasa isip at hindi ang kapakanan ng OFW.

      Ganito ang gawin ninyo, sumulat po kayo sa inyong employer, lagdaan ninyong lahat at ilakip ang probisyon na ito sa inyong sulat.

      SAUDI LABOR LAW:

      Article 40. 1. An employer shall incur the fees pertaining to recruitment of non-Saudi workers, the fees of the residence permit (Iqama) and work permit together with their renewal and the fines resulting from their delay, as well as the fees pertaining to change of profession, exit and re-entry visas and return tickets to the worker’s home country at the end of the relation between the two parties.

      Ganito ang inyong unang gawin makipag-usap kayo sa inyong employer pagkatapos ninyong ibigay ang sulat. Pakiusapan ninyo na dapat lamang sundin ang kasunduan na nasa kontrata at sundin ang batas ng Kaharian tungkol sa iqama.

      Sulatan nyo rin ang inyong recuitment agency na hindi ninyo talikuran ang kasunduan ngunit bigyan kayo ng palugit at hintayin ang kasagotan ng employer bago kayo mag-umpisang magbayad ng placement fee.

      Idaan sa tamang proseso at pag-uusap at hindi takotan ang solusyon ng problema.

      Dapat pa nga ang recruitment agency ninyo ang namagitan dahil kliyente nila ang inyong employer at hindi sa kaparaanan na takotin kayong makulong at ma-blacklist.

      anong pangalan ng agency? at maiwagayway natin ang pangalan nila dito sa blog.

      Keep me psoted sa sagot ng inyong employer.

      Bong

  23. pwede po bang isend ung medical report thru fax sir???
    kung mksend po ba ng medical report ay hindi na po ba pababayarin ang mga nguarantor sa kaniya??
    kasi po ang hiniling po na bayaran ay 10 k sr po daw eh…
    sana po matulungan nyo po kami,,,salamat po ng marami!

    • Chy,

      Ang pag sumite ng kopya ng medical report ay pagpapatunay lamang na hindi po sinasadya ang hindi pagbalik ng isang nagbabakasyon na OFW. Ang sagot po ay nasa employer pa rin kung pagbigyan niya ang apela ng principal or employee na huwag pagbabayarin ang gumarantiya sa kanya. Nagawa lang naman ito ng employer na may mag garantiya sa mga nagbabakasyon dahil na rin sa mga expats na nagbabakasyon at hindi na bumabalik. Kaya payo ko po sa lahat ng mga kahany natin, kung ayaw nyo ng mag work sa inyong employer, stick to a decision na walang ma-agrabyado – EXIT if you want to exit.

      Sa iyong problema, nasa kamay lamang ng inyong employer kung pagbabayarin ang mga guarantor or hindi. Bakit naman 10K, nakasulat ba ito sa pinirmahang promissory note or undertaking?

      Bong

  24. sir, pg my guarantor po ba sa pag uwi ,mo sa vacation mo ay pababayarin po ba ang mga nagrantor sau?? eh halimbawa po nagkasakit po ang employee n ngvacation sir at di na po nakabalik, anu po ang mangyayari sa nagrantor sa vacation niya?? mukhang pera po kasi ang company nila eh..salamat po..

    • Kung may pinirmahan ang guarantor, ito ay legal and binding documents kaya may karapatan ang employer na singilin ang guarantor.

      Kung hindi nakabalik ang ginarintiyahan dahil sa malubhang sakit, ask for a medical report at umapila sa employer in writing attach the medical report.

      Bong

    • Ana,

      Tanongin mo ang agency kung ano ang na process na, does this process means, they already spent money in your behalf?

      If ever, nakapagbayad sila ng mga feesbefore ka nag decide mag withdraw, then you need to pay the processing fees incurred.

      Bong

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